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Old 04-09-2007, 08:04 PM   #46
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I agree with rickh, Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols has not written anything positive about Debian for at least the past year.

In fact up until it was released he was one of the whiners of it not being released yet.

And to expect the Debian devs to be monitoring every Debian forum when they already have a bug tracker in place is not a reasonable expectation.
 
Old 04-09-2007, 08:10 PM   #47
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Vaughan-Nichols shows where he is coming from in the very last line of the article -
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this release shows that openSUSE and Fedora are the community Linuxes of the future.
Yeah, nothing like linux-lite windows style distros! Do you want training wheels on your bike, Mr. Vaughan-Nichols? I bet you do!

Also, the problem with multiple nics is just that, a problem, but not a bug.

Peace,
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Old 04-09-2007, 08:39 PM   #48
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One that has slipped into Sid is k3b version 1.0
The first of many post-freeze goodies(?) to come...

One package I've been keeping an eye on is libc6. 2.5 has been sitting in experimental for a while, given its version (2.5-0exp6), I don't believe it's sitting there due to the etch freeze, so I wouldn't worry about it for a while. But, when it does arrive in Sid, it will be quite a trick to upgrade smoothly.
 
Old 04-09-2007, 08:53 PM   #49
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There is no upgrade that will happen with your current config. It is in essence a downgrade, because Etch moved from testing to stable.
But my sources.list says "testing", so wouldn't that *now* be Lenny instead of Etch? If I'm still set for testing, and testing is now Lenny, then my config should be set to Lenny, no?

I apologize if the question is overly newbish.
 
Old 04-09-2007, 09:01 PM   #50
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I'm using Debian Etch right now, its the first version of Debian I've ever used and I really like it. I can't find J2R in the synaptic though...
 
Old 04-09-2007, 09:09 PM   #51
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One package I've been keeping an eye on is libc6. 2.5 has been sitting in experimental for a while, given its version (2.5-0exp6), I don't believe it's sitting there due to the etch freeze, so I wouldn't worry about it for a while. But, when it does arrive in Sid, it will be quite a trick to upgrade smoothly.
I have been using 2.5_experimental for a while with no problems.

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1. glibc 2.4 drops support for non-NPTL kernels (i.e. 2.4 and earlier Linux kernels); since Sarge's default kernel was still a 2.4-based kernel, upgrading to a glibc 2.4 will immediately break everything on your system
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http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070402

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Old 04-09-2007, 09:50 PM   #52
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I have been using 2.5_experimental for a while with no problems.
I give debian developers too little credit then. I remember a while ago, upgrading to 2.3.6 from an earlier 2.3 caused several problems with existing packages and overall stability took a hit. 2.3 to 2.5 is quite a large leap and a libc upgrade would normally mean recompiling nearly everything against the newer version. In any case I think I'll still exercise caution...
 
Old 04-09-2007, 10:29 PM   #53
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But my sources.list says "testing", so wouldn't that *now* be Lenny instead of Etch?
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If I'm still set for testing, and testing is now Lenny, then my config should be set to Lenny, no?
lenny or testing, either one. lenny is now a link to testing, etch used to be a link to testing, but now it's a link to stable. Or maybe it's the other way round(testing is a link to lenny (?))... The meat of it though is that lenny and testing are now interchangable terms as far as your sources.list is concerned. As are etch and stable.
 
Old 04-09-2007, 10:40 PM   #54
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I remember a while ago, upgrading to 2.3.6 from an earlier 2.3 caused several problems with existing packages and overall stability took a hit.
I remember that too. I believe it was also coupled with a KDE upgrade and the transition to xorg.

Those were "fun" times.
 
Old 04-09-2007, 11:46 PM   #55
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hizzah for Etch! btw.

the dist-upgrade I did after reading in the wee hours on /. about Etch going stable was problem free. I'm going to run stable for a few months I think, or until there's something in testing I want to use.
 
Old 04-10-2007, 12:40 AM   #56
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The only thing which dislodged me from Debian Sarge was when I bought a motherboard which Sarge couldn't handle. Since that time, I had a love/hate relationship with Etch--I loved that it actually worked, but avoiding unexpected software updates was the reason I ran Sarge in the first place. Now, I get to have stability again! Hooray!
 
Old 04-10-2007, 07:45 AM   #57
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hizzah for Etch! btw.
I'm going to run stable for a few months I think, or until there's something in testing I want to use.
I'm looking forward to the stability of Etch now that it is stable.
 
Old 04-10-2007, 09:36 AM   #58
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The meat of it though is that lenny and testing are now interchangable terms as far as your sources.list is concerned. As are etch and stable.
So does that mean that as updates and new packages are put into the Lenny/testing repository, I'll be getting them?

If yes, then is there any compelling reason for me to also do a dist-upgrade? Or should I just let the testing updates filter in through normal apt updates?

Thanks for the help.
 
Old 04-10-2007, 10:49 AM   #59
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So does that mean that as updates and new packages are put into the Lenny/testing repository, I'll be getting them?

If yes, then is there any compelling reason for me to also do a dist-upgrade? Or should I just let the testing updates filter in through normal apt updates?

Thanks for the help.
OMG... there is no need at all to do a dist-upgrade... You ONLY need to do a dist upgrade if you are changing to a newer dist. Since you've been running TESTING for months now, and you havent changed your sources, you are STILL running TESTING. Only do a dist-upgrade if you are changing from stable to testing, or from testing to unstable, etc etc. Name changes (etch to lenny) have no effect to you since you are linked to testing.
 
Old 04-10-2007, 10:50 AM   #60
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I'm looking forward to the stability of Etch now that it is stable.
Get a clue... Etch has been stable for months now on most architectures (which most probably includes yours). Unless you use an "off-the-wall" architecture, like sparc, then you've been running the exact same Etch as you are now for months. Nothing has changed.
 
  


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