The original company which became PayPal was called FieldLink and none of the 4 founders was named Musk. Musk and 3 other partners founded a company called X.com in 1999. Apparently Musk had the foresight to see the potential of the money transfer business being developed by FieldLink (renamed to Confinity by then). So credit Musk but let's not give him total credit for the work of others. Enough of that in the world.

I don't know what motivates Musk but he seems to get into businesses which involve a lot of money coming from taxpayers such as electric vehicle subsidies and SpaceX. Tesla was on the verge of bankruptcy in 2009 until they got a low interest loan from the US Department of Energy (American taxpayers).

https://medium.com/illumination/how-...y-ea8acc389057

Musk violated one of the primary principles of major American corporations by actually paying this loan back, not just in a timely fashion but early.

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/gues...t-of-its-money

Or maybe it is a result of guilt.

Ah! An anti-vaxxer! That offers some revealing perspective.

My comment was in regard to the second sentence in the post quoted below not the vaccine part.

Conscience or guilt. Anyone who has even a passing knowledge of Gates/Microsoft knows that his goal all of his life was to make as much money as he could in any way he could and that is what he did. Perhaps the guilt of his behavior led to his developing a conscience. Hopefully his conscience will help him in his choice of people he associates with.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/16/b...e-epstein.html

Better than being a sheeple!

Oh does your definition of "sheeple" include people who actually research objective evidence and make up their minds through considered, critical thinking? Or are "sheeple" more like those who blindly buy the Party Line and ignore actual evidence?

So now I'm a bit curious. In addition to ignoring the good that Musk has accomplished (I have substantially more mixed conclusions regarding Gates), and the science supporting the vast success of hundreds of years of vaccination do you also think the Earth is less than 10,000 years old and is flat?

From your post above, are you joking? You stated in a previous post in reference to Musk that " his in initial millions came from inventing PayPal as a teenager". Where was the research on that statement which is obviously not true. You give him more credit than he is due and if what he does benefits humankind, it is coincidental. Did he get into the electric car production for noble purposes such as helping to get clean air or did he do it "solely" because he saw a profit. His electric automobile company would not survive without ongoing subsidies from various governments and I expect that Musk would happily produce polluting gas powered vehicles if he had the opportunity.

His SpaceX which has received much of its income from the taxpayer, seems to be more competent than competitors as it achieves the same objectives at a lower cost.

With regard to Gates, I think he had developed a conscience (named Melinda) but that is gone. Maybe he's trying to develop one of his own now, or at least making an effort.

Well, yancek, you're partly right. I stated he was a teenager and actually I was wrong, he was in his 20s. However he is listed as co-founder so just how far off do you think that is from "inventor"? The bottom line here is that Musk is not only smart, but wise and savvy PLUS chooses industries that benefit Humanity. There's LOTS of ways to make a profit and quite a few are ugly but VERY profitable. In my view, and I also think objectively, Musk isn't even a contender for "evil billionaire". He's one of the top 10 Good Guys easily.

Gates OTOH called others "a bunch of thieves" while he "adopted (stole), extended, and extinguished" numerous important and possibly important small outfits just like MS was at one time. In my view he's an insecure, paranoid cannibal and ruthless gangster by comparison to Musk. I think it kinda figures since he basically majored in Poker at Harvard.

I have yet to see any evidence that Elon ever invented anything himself. He is very good at recognizing things with potential and has the resources to buy in and take advantage.

The Gates Foundation did finance COVID vaccines, but almost entirely outside of the USA and the EU. The USA and EU had programs and vaccine development, GATES Foundation targeted places that did not: in Africa and South America mostly. So you got that part wrong.
There is objective evidence of COVID vaccines harming 7 in the USA since 2019. Total.
Covid killed 432 last week, and that is the lowest weekly death toll since this started. Something around 1.8 MILLION US citizens have died of COVID that we can prove, and many more listed as "pneumonia deaths" that could not be verified to be or not be COVID.
Long Covid is crippling people, and we cannot even measure the rates but it is far FAR more than the death rate.
The COVID vaccine is sharply REDUCING, not causing, death and illness.
So you also got that part wrong.

When we are talking about "invention" of a commercial product it is nowhere near enough to just conceive of it or put together a prototype or even a full-fledged mass production facility. Obviously the latter is less difficult when the product is software but even with hardware many products "job out" components. IIRC one of the major innovations attributed to Henry Ford (despite being the scoundrel that he was) was making almost every component of his automobiles "in house". However were the Chevrolet Brothers any less the inventors of Chevrolet cars just because they had bodies by Fisher? or batteries by Delco?

It is my understanding that being co-founder of PayPal was not merely for Musk a position of an idle investor. He was a leader and handled both details in the workings that made PayPal viable, worked to get eBay to depend on it and ultimately buy it, and in the meantime dealt with legal, and marketing issues and is regarded as the architect of important security balanced with ease of use and especially breakthrough innovation like the Mobile App. He was not alone in it's development but to write off his influence and importance to PayPal becoming the powerhouse it is today as inconsequential is inaccurate if not fantasy.

To carry this on, who deserves responsibility for Tesla and SpaceX if not Elon Musk? Steve Jobs didn't invent the original Apple computer but he did invent Apple and let's face it, without Jobs, sweet old Woz would have treated it like a toy. Similarly, and I don't know how much of Musk's engineering skills were involved, say, in developing the hardware or software that made reusable rockets a reality despite just about everybody saying it was impossible, or if possible, unprofitable, but he most definitely was the Prime Mover that made it happen.

As I've said there are things I don't like about Elon Musk and things that are kind of silly, but all that pales in comparison to the greatness he has already achieved and will likely continue to build upon. He will no doubt be a positive historical figure for a VERY long time. Anyone who can't see that, I strongly suspect is judging from a political if not a "politically correct" agenda.

When it comes to the covid vaccines, I personally know quite a few doctors who would state that you are wrong and dont have a clue of which you speak. My personal physician is one of them. All of them have the title of MD attached to their names. Do you have such medical training, knowledge and accreditation?

As of February 2024, global testing was completed involving some 90,000,000 Covid 19 vaccine recipients. The results include age group differentiation as well as race, gender, and brand of vaccine. These tests calculate from the data any variation between expected negative results and actual, real world results. Some may find it difficult to accept ANY harmful results but that's just the reality in human health. We are not all identical so hundreds of years of accumulated data have provided us with guidelines for averages for what can be expected statistically. The testing provides the real world data. Then they are compared to determine any meaningful deviation. Incidentally, while extremes including death are considered, also including are increases in just risks.

If I understand the figures correctly (the scholarly papers are necessarily technical and dense) a result of "1" indicates the expected increased risks was found to be equal to the actual, tested, real world results. The overall results was 0.75, which I'm pretty sure means actual increased risk, though it does indeed exist in some people, was LESS than expected with expectations calculated based on the averages of rollouts of all medicines.

On the down side, risks did increase with follow up vaccination and as of yet I don't know if that is included in the overall average. Nevertheless the facts remain that millions of lives were saved due to mRNA vaccines (though some brands were more effective and/or demonstrated less risk than other brands) and the number of confirmed negative results is well under 50, globally.

So, any knowledgeable MD who also is committed to truthful disclosure will certainly admit that some people were in fact harmed by Covid vaccines. Hopefully they also note that result is better than the alternative, as devastating as that can be if you are or are close to one of the 50 (the actual number is under 40 IIRC, but I'm attempting to err on the high side). Welcome to the Real World.

No, but I can read and research, including reading the public reports of the GATES foundation itself. Look it up yourself.

No thanks. I trust my physician and the other physicians because I know and trust them. I dont trust anything or anyone gates associated. I believe in the adage: "Figures dont lie but, liars figure."

shortarcflyer, either you need to ask your trusted physicians about the whole spectrum of vaccine results or if he/they already told you about them (the responsible thing to do) you need to stop ignoring the whole picture and stop focusing on the miniscule percentage that affirms your politics. OR you could just click on your Calculator app and figure the percentage values of 50 to 90,000,000. Do the math and consider your focus.